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WHEN THE CHINA MIRACLE CRASHED: 1/8: Chaos Under Heaven: Trump, Xi, and the Battle for the Twenty-First Century by Josh Rogin (Author)

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🗓️ 7 August 2023

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WHEN THE CHINA MIRACLE CRASHED: 1/8: Chaos Under Heaven: Trump, Xi, and the Battle for the Twenty-First Century by Josh Rogin (Author)


https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Under-Heaven-Twenty-First-Century/dp/0358393248

By the time the COVID-19 pandemic erupted in Wuhan, Trump’s love-hate relationship with Xi had sparked a trade war, while Xi’s aggression had pushed the world to the brink of a new Cold War. But their quarrel had also forced a long-overdue reckoning within the United States over China’s audacious foreign-influence operations, horrific human rights abuses, and creeping digital despotism. Ironically, this awakening was one of the biggest foreign-policy victories of Trump’s fractious term in office.

​Filled with shocking revelations drawn from Josh Rogin’s unparalleled access to top U.S. officials from the White House and deep within the country’s foreign policy machine, Chaos Under Heaven reveals an administration at war with itself during perhaps our most urgent hour.

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pleasure to welcome the author, Josh Rogan, of the Washington Post. He is a journalist as well,

0:41.2

writes the global opinions column for the post, but now the author, Josh Rogan, to congratulate him for

0:46.5

his new book, Chaos Under Heaven. Trump, she and the battle for the 21st century.

0:53.7

The book is a story of the Trump administration evolving policy with the People's Republic of

1:00.9

China. It is also the story right now of the evolving policy of new administrations,

1:07.6

ad infinitum, Mr. Biden's and whatever follows. We begin however with something that one of

1:14.1

the principles in the book, Matthew Pottenger, at one time Deputy National Security Adviser,

1:19.8

Colonel Matthew Pottenger of the US Marine Corps retired, quoted in the course of the

1:27.2

descriptions of the evolving policy of the Trump administration. This is from Confucius,

1:33.2

from the Analects. I read the English translation. If names cannot be correct,

1:39.2

then language cannot be in accordance with the truth of things. And if language cannot be in

1:44.5

accordance with the truth of things, then affairs cannot be carried on to success.

1:51.2

Josh, a very good evening to you. Congratulations, and the Confucius quote,

1:55.7

identifies to me a reader of irony, that the relationship between Washington and Beijing

2:03.4

the capitalist republic of the United States and the communist authoritarian regime of China

2:10.6

is a search for the names of things and the truth of things. We begin with a date you make much

2:19.2

help with in 2016. It's November 1st, 2016 at the Palace Hotel.

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