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When Sin Fractures a Church

Ask Pastor John

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John Piper, Unknown, 163859, Pastor, Ask, Theology, Desiring God, Religion & Spirituality/christianity, Christianity, Religion & Spirituality, Questions

4.83.8K Ratings

🗓️ 6 May 2014

⏱️ 9 minutes

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Summary

Pastor John remembers a painful time in Bethlehem’s history and encourages pastors to stay with their churches through seasons of discipline and grief.

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0:00.0

Very perceptive question has come in from a podcast listener named Matt.

0:09.1

He asks this, in episode 313, Pastor John, you said that there was one period when 230

0:15.6

people left your church and the church didn't grow for years after that.

0:20.4

What happened there and what did you learn from the experience?

0:24.5

Yeah, I often make clouded reference to that season in our church's life and it might

0:31.1

be helpful to say a little more about it here and then just a few lessons at the end.

0:37.6

This is very delicate and I must be careful because I suspect that people who were deeply

0:50.5

wounded and deeply complicit in those events will listen to this podcast.

0:58.7

And so on start by saying, I don't speak out of any remnants of anger or vengeance that

1:08.1

I know of.

1:09.1

I'm the hardest corrupt and I'm deceived often about myself but as much as I know myself,

1:16.8

my heart is right about this and I bear no one any lurking grudges.

1:24.4

As much anger has been in the past, I want those who listen to this to hear that.

1:30.8

I want to say to the people who listen, who know what I'm talking about and were there

1:36.6

and were involved.

1:37.8

I don't want to go to my grave with any bitterness or unforgiveness in my heart.

1:46.8

Here's what happened.

1:47.8

Two of our staff members committed a adultery together and I was the person who discovered it.

1:56.0

Only that discovery was circumstantial for several weeks.

2:01.1

In other words, I couldn't prove it.

2:04.2

This is a horrible position to be in.

2:08.7

I was profoundly convinced it was happening.

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