I d the future a podcast about evolution and intelligent design.

Welcome to I. D the. I'm your host Andrew McDermott. Today I'm

happy to be speaking again with historian of science Michael Keys, a senior

fellow at the Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture

and author of the book Unbelievable, seven myths about the history and future of science and religion.

Key serves as lecturer in the History and Philosophy of Science at Biola University, and he's on the

board of directors of Racheo Christie, an alliance of apologetics clubs on college campuses.

Mike, welcome back to ID the Future. Michael new essay that was recently published in the journal Religions titled Christianity Cultivated Science

with and without Methodological Naturalism. It comes in at 33 pages and is chock full of interesting insights into the history of science,

the history of this idea known as methodological naturalism, and how Judeo-Christian tradition

and thought influenced science.

Now I thoroughly enjoyed it. I learned a lot from it. I took 18 pages and notes on it.

And I'd like to unpack some of it and the essay's key insights with you on this episode. You up for that?

Sure. Okay. Well first what inspires you to write this particular essay?

As I've taught graduate courses in science and religion at Biola University, I kept encountering

the influence of Ronald Numbers essay, Science Without God.

Now, there are parts of that essay that are on target, but I noticed some departures from careful historical analysis that I knew needed to be done and so eventually I

wrote the essay that I've been telling my students for years that I would write and

it shows that science and Christianity collaborated in ways that go beyond Ron Numbers thesis.

Now Ron Numbers is an excellent historian, but he did have.

Now cleared up.

Yeah, you indeed have.

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