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Pulling The Thread with Elise Loehnen

When Illness is Not Validated (Meghan O’Rourke)

Pulling The Thread with Elise Loehnen

Lemonada Media

Self-improvement, Education

4.81.2K Ratings

🗓️ 21 April 2022

⏱️ 45 minutes

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“One reason I wrote the book is that the lack of recognition is such a powerful harm done to patients. And I think until you've gone through an experience like this, it's really hard to convey why that is. But basically it comes down to having the dignity of your suffering possessing. Some kind of meaning, I think, right. And we're all social creatures, right. We don't actually get sick totally alone. It feels lonely. But one reason that my illness was doubly hard was that I had the loneliness of physical symptoms. And then I had the additional of never having them recognized or validated, which made it so much harder.”  Writer, journalist, and poet Meghan O’Rourke—a former editor at The New Yorker, and the current editor of The Yale Review—has written stunningly, about many topics in our culture. But her latest book—THE INVISIBLE KINGDOM: REIMAGINING CHRONIC ILLNESS—is a memoir of her own suffering as she navigated the medical world in search of a diagnosis. Her journey to understand what is wrong with her—to even be seen as a sick person—was particularly complex because she has a web of autoimmune diseases, which…is not that uncommon, actually, particularly for younger women. In her book, she explores the complexity of illness and what it means to look fine—vital, even—and yet feel like you’re failing inside, and how quick we are to dismiss suffering we cannot see. Particularly when it’s the suffering of women.  MORE FROM MEGHAN O’ROURKE: THE INVISIBLE KINGDOM SUN IN DAYS MEAGHAN’S WRITING FOR THE NEW YORKER FOLLOW MEGHAN ON TWITTER FOLLOW MEGHAN ON INSTAGRAM Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hi, it's Elise Lunan, host of Pulling the Thread.

0:03.1

Today's guest is writer Megan O'Rourke, author of The Invisible Kingdom, which explores her hunt

0:09.2

for a diagnosis.

0:11.0

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0:32.3

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0:38.8

Hi, it's AlisLuna. Hi, it's Elise Loonen host of Pulling the Thread.

0:54.8

I'm an author, podcast host, and parent who built a long career in media.

0:59.2

I grew up in a state of perpetual curiosity, investigating the world and asking a lot of questions.

1:05.8

In this show, I chat with culture-defining leaders, thinkers, and experts about this rare moment that we find

1:12.0

ourselves in and how to think about our own lives and experiences within a larger social and spiritual

1:18.1

construct. One reason I wrote the book is that the lack of recognition is such a powerful harm done to patients. And I think until you've

1:31.5

gone through an experience like this, it's really hard to convey why that is. But basically,

1:36.3

it comes down to having the dignity of your suffering, possessing some kind of meaning, I think,

1:41.9

right? And we're all social creatures, right? We don't

1:45.3

actually get sick totally alone. It feels lonely. But one reason that my illness was doubly hard

1:53.1

was that I had the loneliness of physical symptoms and then I had the additional loneliness

1:57.7

of never having them recognized or validated, which made it so much

2:02.5

harder.

2:03.7

Writer, journalist, and poet Megan O'Rourke, a former editor at the New Yorker and the current

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