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Is it possible for Christians who are living in hostile times to still win the culture war, if you will?

That's a question that a lot of Christians are asking, especially when they see themselves through the lens of a secular worldview, where only 40% of Americans now say they even believe in God, let alone have any kind of faith in Christ.

Well, today here on Family Talk, I'm joined by Natasha Crane, speaker, podcaster, author of five books,

and including a brand new one that has the most provocative title of any book that I've read recently.

It's called When Culture Hate You, Percevering for the Common Good as Christians in a Hostel Public Square.

We have a link for the book up at Dr. James Dobson.org.

And Natasha Crane, welcome to Dr. James Dobson's family talk,

Dr. Mrs. Dobson, send their warmest regards

and inviting you to the program today.

Well, thank you so much. It's great to be here.

Hate is sure a strong word, isn't it?

It is.

Yeah. So a lot of people are saying, wait, I don't get it, because I think as Christians, we want to hate what is evil and love cling to what is good.

But the culture says hate is just a horrible word.

And since we don't like what you're doing as Christians, therefore you're haters, so we hate you.

And our hate is somehow justified.

Did I kind of summarize where you're starting as far as your hypothesis for this resource?

Well, you know,

it goes back to scripture itself where Jesus says to his disciples that if the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love

you as its own. And so we get this sense already from just reading Jesus's words that there is

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