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The Good Fight

What Would a Truly Integrated Society Look Like?

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.7963 Ratings

🗓️ 4 September 2020

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Summary

If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. A few weeks ago, I got an email from somebody I admire tremendously: Elizabeth Anderson, one of the most interesting contemporary political philosophers. Anderson, she wrote, has long been an avid listener to The Good Fight. But she strongly disagrees with the episode I did with Edward Irizarry, in part because she thought that my characterization of Robin diAngelo’s work was overly dismissive. So we decided to have an on-air conversation about the question. In this conversation, we discuss the merits of contemporary anti-racism. But we also talk about whether we should aim for the ideal of colorblindness, how to build a more integrated society, and what philosophical liberals can do to stand up to the threat of right-wing populism. Please do listen, and spread the word about The Good Fight. Email: goodfightpod@gmail.com Twitter: @Yascha_Mounk Website: http://www.persuasion.community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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White people insist on a certain level of comfort in the discourse and comfort for

0:12.2

white people amounts to black people never discourse and

0:13.7

comfort for white people amounts to black people never challenging anything they do.

0:20.1

And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

0:24.0

In politics, it is often tempting to ignore the sins of your own side.

0:28.0

If you are faced with a genuine threat from the other side of political spectrum.

0:33.4

If somebody like Donald Trump as president or the United States and

0:37.1

gearing up for re-election, it seems prudent not to talk about the things that are going wrong among people who claim

0:47.6

to be on your own side.

0:50.7

But I cannot stop thinking that this is both morally wrong and strategically wrong.

0:57.0

It is morally wrong because it has, as we can see in the United States in the last weeks and months made mainstream institutions,

1:06.5

newspapers, broadcasting, corporations, even some politicians, overly reluctant to speak out about the dangers, for example of violent protests.

1:17.0

It has allowed some of those institutions to let political extremists and radicals,

1:23.0

many of whom, by the way,

1:25.0

has so happened to be white,

1:27.0

to use genuine protests for racial justice

1:31.0

and against police violence in the own name.

1:36.8

It is also strategically unwise because those citizens on whom have a strong pre-existing

1:45.0

depend, those who don't have a strong preexisting

1:48.0

commitment to one side or the other,

1:51.0

will notice the reluctance to be honest about what's going on on your own side of the aisle,

1:57.0

rather than failing to recognize that some bad things are happening because those institutions are silent about it.

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