Welcome to the Bow Work Podcast. I'm Charlie Seax. It is January 4th, 2024. We are coming up on the third anniversary

of the January 6th insurrection, which is hanging fire at multiple levels of the legal system.

In our episodes of the Trump trials we've been looking at,

the legal perils faced by the former president,

but they have never been as severe as they are today.

And of course we are joined by our good friend Ben Wittis from Law Fair.

Ben, first of all, happy new year.

Happy New Year to you and to everyone listening.

Buckle up, people.

I've been quoting you, your conversation in the kitchen with Mona Charen at the New Year's

party about the stakes here.

I mean it is, it's one of those moments again and I think I've started every podcast this week by saying,

you know, it is rare that as you go into a year you are aware that this is the

hinge of fate I was thinking about you know knowing in January I think maybe in

January of 1944 people realized that this was the hinge of fate but

certainly that's true of 2024 so many things right on the knife's edge.

Yeah and one of the things about it that gives it that choose your own adventure novel

quality where you know you actually do sort of know the list of possible outcomes.

You don't know which one you're going to get, but you kind of know the list and the reason

is that there's a Democratic nominee for president and there's a Republican

nominee for president and you 100% of the time since you know we became a

two-party system you get one or the other and right now the probability that those two are one is a small

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