Welcome to the Bullwork Podcast, I am Charlie Sykes. It is 2024 and I'm still getting my head around the fact that

this is the year we've been waiting for this year. It is still January it hasn't

really snowed here in Wisconsin so maybe that's what are the reasons why I'm having a little bit of

cognitive dissonance.

So to sort all of this out, we are joined once again by Susan Glasser, staff writer of the New Yorker,

where she writes a weekly column on Life in Washington and she's also a co-author most recently

of the divider the history of Donald Trump in the White House which he co-wrote

with her husband Peter Baker probably gonna need to need to update that, do you think?

You and Peter ever talk about, hey,

maybe when the paperback comes out,

we're going to have to add like four or five, six,

seven, eight, nine, ten chapters?

You know, we weren't planning on doing a. six, seven, eight, nine, ten chapters?

You know, we weren't planning on doing a sequel, Charlie, and I'm sure a lot of people

feel that way.

It's only the beginning of January.

It's nowhere near Groundhog Day, but here we are in 2024 ready or not it's happening

So let's put this into historical context before 2024. What do you think the most interesting eventful presidential election year in a lifetime has been?

I have an answer, but I'm interested to know what you will say.

Well, you know, I'm looking forward to hearing your answer. I know there were certainly a couple of really extraordinary presidential elections when I was basically too little to remember them.

But you know, you said in your lifetime. So I'm sure that 1976 or 1980

elections were definitely both consequential and kind of action-packed

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