All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to making the argument in our series.

What Should the Right Want?

And today we have a guest.

I've been wanting to interview for quite some time because I believe that this guy has been asking some very, very important questions about how we got here?

How do we get to a point?

When you read our Declaration of Independence, when you consider our Constitution, when you look at our founders, how could we ever get to a point where

wokeism has become a dominant ideology within most of our culturally shaping institutions?

And while we're looking at it now and we're starting to see the pushback, and I think we're

hopeful that we're going to finally defeat woke, that doesn't mean we all agree on what should

happen next. And Oren McIntyre has been someone that has been willing to ask, I think,

very important questions about how we got here in the first place. How do we defeat it? And perhaps most importantly, what do we do from here?

So, Oren, thank you very much for being on today.

Thanks for having me.

Well, let me do what I've seen you do on your podcast,

and I highly encourage everyone to check out Orange Show over on The Blaze.

Let's define our terms.

So there are kind of, I look at kind of three groups on the right, three broad categories.

And these categories can include any number of people, but just for, you know, ease of

not coming up with 47 different categories.

One category is kind of the people that they don't like woke. They realize what a threat has become. A lot of the people in this

category just want to kind of reset to like 2005. Maybe some of the what we might call the tech

bros, right? Whether they're not, it's not like they have some sort of deep philosophical convictions

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