All right, we're live on the Conversations That Matter Podcast, and I appreciate everyone's patience in advance because I've been getting messages from Streamyard for the last hour telling me that they're having a lot of people on the platform

and so they might have some problems with delays and that kind of thing.

So Lord willing, this will all work out.

If not, I'll upload the conversation later

because it's also being recorded locally.

But we have two guests with us today,

neither of whom have been on the podcast before.

We have been Zeis Loft and we have A.J Hurley.

How you guys doing?

Very good.

Thank you so much for having us.

Yeah, my pleasure. So I've been in chat groups with Ben for more than a year, I would say at least. And we've kind of gotten to know each other in that and it was I think it might have been since the daily wire and all that so I think

then yeah yeah AJ I know I've started talking to you more recently, but I have heard of the White Rose Resistance and excited to hear what you're going to bring to this.

Let me just explain to everyone kind of

what we're doing and why you guys are. Because I've had some people reach out and say, like,

do a debate series on this and get my guy in and my and there's a reason that it's you guys and the main one is because

You guys respect each other and And this is a tense topic,

but you can both be adults about it

and there's already a rapport built.

And I just think that makes for the best discussions

on these things when you respect each other but you're still

unapologetic about the positions you hold. So Ben, both of you I should say, but

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