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FiveThirtyEight Politics

What's The Deal With Pardons?

FiveThirtyEight Politics

ABC News

Politics, News

4.620.6K Ratings

🗓️ 10 December 2020

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

Galen speaks with Amelia Thomson-DeVeaux about why presidents have the power to pardon, how that power has been used historically and how Trump's record compares. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the 538 Politics Podcast.

0:11.1

I'm Gaelin Drouk.

0:12.8

President Trump has about a month and a half left in the White House.

0:16.2

And it's typical for lame duck presidents to use that time to issue pardons and commute

0:21.4

the sentences of people who've been convicted of federal crimes.

0:25.4

This may remember President Obama commuted the sentences of nearly 2,000 drug offenders

0:30.6

during his final week in office.

0:33.6

According to reporting from various major outlets, President Trump is considering taking

0:38.4

a rather different approach, possibly issuing blanket preemptive pardons for allies and

0:44.8

family members.

0:45.8

He's even claimed that he has the right to pardon himself.

0:49.9

Like many things during the Trump presidency, those pardons would be largely unprecedented

0:54.8

and controversial.

0:55.8

But presidents do have a lot of leeway when it comes to the power to grant clemency.

1:02.0

So to better understand that power, how the president has used it and may plan to use it,

1:07.5

here with me today is Amelia Thompson DeVoe.

1:09.8

Amelia is of course a senior writer here at 538 and our legal correspondent.

1:14.7

Welcome Amelia.

1:15.7

Thanks, Gaelin.

1:16.7

Nice to be here.

1:18.0

So bring me back to Civics 101.

1:22.0

Why do presidents have the ability to just override the judicial system and grant pardons

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