Hello everybody, welcome to your latest blood-red podcast with myself Andy Kelly.

And today I am joined on the line, taking time on his day off.

It's our full-time Liverpool reporter both home and away James Pierce hi James

Hi James Hi Andy

Cheers for joining us mate and also joined by Christian Molshe. You okay Christian? Yes not too bad, thank you. No, it's

you know perfectly planned that we have James and Christian with us. They were our two

lads down at Wembley yesterday. You all know what happened and you know we're

here to sort of try and sift through the ashes if you like but also try and you know pick a path forward for the Reds from

here and what was a pretty disappointing display I think you described in your

verdict as the worst defense, most shambolic defensive display since

Stoke 2015 and words like insipid, spineless, humiliating and embarrassing were all in your report.

You obviously had the Thasora's always at Wembley yesterday,

but you had the time, but it was just horrible to watch, wasn't it?

It was, it was, I think watch wasn't it? It was it was I think you know what made

it's a tough to take is that I think probably like most of the 3,000 in the away

and down there we actually went down to Wembley with a lot of expectation and excitement and you know thinking

that a little after that that midweek thrashes of Maribor you, cops spoken recently about just, you know, that confidence and belief

being an issue and that, you know, that on the night that everything clicked, you, I really

fancy Liverpool to kick on and give a good account on themselves,

but within 12 minutes, the game was effectively gone.

I mean, it was just unbelievable how poorly they started the game and yeah just

when you defend like that you just you don't even give yourself a chance to you and

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