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What Next - We're in an Oil Crisis. Will Renewables Save Us?

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News, Politics, News Commentary

4.56K Ratings

🗓️ 1 April 2026

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

The Iran war’s disruption to global oil supplies demonstrates another upside to switching to renewable energy sources. Instead, Europe is considering rolling back carbon regulations.


Guest:  Catherine Rampell, economics editor at The Bulwark and anchor at MS NOW.


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Podcast production by Elena Schwartz, Paige Osburn, Anna Phillips, Madeline Ducharme, and Rob Gunther.


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0:00.0

If you go looking, you can find one haunting image after another from our new Iran war.

0:13.0

Displaced people in Lebanon, explosions rattling Tehran and Beirut.

0:21.5

But over the last few days, the images that have stuck with me have been shot from much

0:27.2

further away, from space, actually.

0:32.2

They show sooty black clouds streaming across the Middle East, the result of oil tanks being struck in Oman,

0:39.7

or fires smoldering for days at a refinery south of the Iranian capital.

0:46.1

I look at these images, and I can't help but think, in addition to all the human misery this war is

0:52.9

causing, how much damage are we doing to our planet?

0:57.8

Damage that's going to be hard, if not impossible, to fix.

1:04.5

It turns out one group has tried to tally the environmental impact.

1:09.5

The Climate and Community Institute says the first

1:12.5

two weeks of war released 5 million tons of carbon into the atmosphere.

1:18.9

We are setting oil tankers on fire and bombing natural gas sites and those toxic clouds that you're talking about probably not so good for

1:31.4

people trying to breathe or drink the water and also not great for climate.

1:36.6

Catherine Rampel has been following all this over at the bulwark.

1:41.9

Yeah, I mean, the Guardian characterized the Middle East as a gigantic

1:45.7

environmental sacrifice zone, which when I read, I was like, oh, I hadn't really even thought

1:51.1

about it that way. Yeah, we know, of course, war is lethal. But yeah, killing people and

1:58.1

destroying the planet in all sorts of new innovative ways.

2:01.9

For both me and Catherine, all this devastation, maybe, had one potential upside. With all these

2:09.1

fossil fuels on fire and oil tankers unable to travel the straight of Hormuz, it felt like there

2:14.6

was a new incentive to invest in cleaner energy, in energy independence.

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