What Next - Trump’s South Africa Fixation
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🗓️ 12 February 2025
⏱️ 23 minutes
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Summary
Among his recent executive orders, Donald Trump moved to halt aid to South Africa over a land law and extended political asylum to South Africa’s white Afrikaner population.
Where does Trump’s seemingly spotty understanding of South Africa come from? How could having close advisors who grew up in apartheid-era South Africa, like Elon Musk, influence him?
Guest: Chris McGreal, writer for The Guardian US who reported from South Africa during the end of apartheid.
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| 0:00.0 | In an administration that has spent its first month signing one mystifying executive order after another, the order Donald Trump signed last week concerning South Africa stands out. |
| 0:19.2 | Now, U.S. President Donald Trump has signed an executive order to cut financial assistance |
| 0:23.8 | to South Africa. |
| 0:25.4 | This order had a couple of parts. |
| 0:28.0 | One was a funding cut that no one is sure will actually happen. |
| 0:31.6 | But then, the really surprising thing. |
| 0:35.0 | Yes, the executive order does the astonishing thing of giving political asylum to South Africa's |
| 0:40.8 | white minority Afrikaner population at a time when actually political asylum in the United |
| 0:46.3 | States been cut off to just about everybody else. |
| 0:49.7 | Chris McGreel writes for the Guardian U.S., but he used to live in Johannesburg, report there. |
| 0:55.5 | He was as shocked by this order as I was. |
| 0:58.6 | But he says, maybe neither of us should have been. |
| 1:02.1 | We've got an exclusive investigation for you tonight. |
| 1:04.7 | Donald Trump has been worried about whites in South Africa since his first administration, |
| 1:09.7 | when he caught a segment on Tucker Carlson's show. |
| 1:12.6 | The president of South Africa, Cyril Ramaphosa, has begun, and you may have seen this in the press, |
| 1:18.3 | seizing land from his own citizens without compensation because they are the wrong skin color. |
| 1:23.9 | After tuning in, Trump tweeted at Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said he should look into allegations that the South African government was stealing white farmers' land, even that white Afrikaners were being killed. |
| 1:38.7 | The broader issue of highlighting what Trump falsely claims is kind of racial persecution of |
| 1:47.4 | Afrikaners has been going on for some time. |
| 1:49.6 | As an outside observer, I look at all this and I just think it seems so transparent, right? |
| 1:59.0 | This is Donald Trump essentially taking sides with this white grievance |
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