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What Next | The National Guard Is Asking Questions

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News, News Commentary, Politics

4.66K Ratings

🗓️ 17 November 2025

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

Trump can’t seem to decide if the National Guard is needed in American cities to stop violent crime, or to assist ICE deportations, or something else entirely. And the lack of a clear and present crisis is starting to make some Guard members uncomfortable.  Guest: Kat Lonsdorf, news reporter for National Public Radio. Want more What Next? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening to the whole What Next family and across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to get access wherever you listen. Podcast production by Elena Schwartz, Paige Osburn, Anna Phillips, Madeline Ducharme, and Rob Gunther. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Kat Lonsdorf over at NPR has spent the last few weeks trying to answer a question that is both

0:42.2

simple and very complicated. What is it like to be a member of the National Guard these days?

0:52.8

I live in D.C., so there are 2,300 National Guard troops right now in the city,

0:59.3

and they are walking around the sidewalks with me and all the rest of the folks in D.C.

1:06.1

You see them pretty much every single day.

1:08.2

Kat sees them, but she can't talk to them, mostly because they won't talk to her.

1:15.2

In fact, Kat had to travel all the way to Ohio to get Guard members to open up.

1:20.4

I've only just started finding National Guard members, honestly, who will speak.

1:25.9

I think it's been, you know, all of us has happened both quickly and not, right?

1:32.3

And so I think a lot of National Guard members are coming to a point where they really are

1:36.9

grappling with what's happening right now and thinking about starting to talk.

1:44.8

Kat was looking to connect with Guard members who'd faced a choice.

1:48.7

Deploy to an American city, a place like Washington, D.C., or Los Angeles, or refuse.

1:55.8

The people she found had decided to stay home.

1:59.3

It's a legitimate thing that they're thinking through, and the voluntary directive has come

2:05.5

to their unit. They just haven't taken it. But, you know, those deployments are voluntary

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