I could introduce Sarah Longwell any number of ways.

I could tell you she is the publisher of the bulwark, the news and opinion site.

I could tell you she's a former Republican strategist turned never-trumper.

I could tell you about her new book.

It hits stores in September,

and it's about her prescription for ending MAGA, once and for all. But to really understand Sarah,

you need to know what she's obsessed with. And that is voters.

The voters are in my brain. When I, we do three to four focus groups a week, I listen, I run on the treadmill with them in my ears.

I like shower with the voters going.

I listen to them in the car.

You can listen to Sarah plays excerpts from these conversations on her podcast.

Recently, Trump voters in particular have been coming to Sarah with their regrets.

I am a three-time loser.

I vote a four three times.

I believe in his vision.

He had like this hope that he was outside of that whole D.C. swamp and that he was actually going to drain the

swan. I think some of that stuff started off strong. It looked good, you know, like initially. And then it's

literally, it's like you just, you know, you woke up Monday morning. It's like, oh, we're, we're bombing our

Iran now, you know, freaking gas is, you know, pushing $5 a gallon.

I was hoping we would get that same president in 2016 where, like, sounds bad the economy was booming.

Paychecks were lasting longer.

Things were growing.

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