You're listening to the Allender Center podcast with Dr. Dan Allender.

Each week, we dive into topics that reflects something of what it means to foster hope and healing

in a world so in need of restoration.

These conversations grow out of the work we do with individuals and communities across the country,

which you can learn more about at the Allender Center.org.

Well, it is an honor to be with your friends, men whom I both love and trust. And so Sam Lee, Jay Stringer, Wendell Moss, I've invited you to talk so that I don't have to say a whole lot about what do we want men to know about men's sexuality?

Often we talk about men knowing something about women's sexuality,

which is an important category.

But oftentimes we know that as men who work with other men,

we would wish that other men had some categories

that would help us, help them engage these topics.

And so gentlemen, thank you for taking this time.

And Sam is a brilliant therapist in Texas.

Jay is a brilliant therapist in the Seattle area, an author of Unwanted,

and Wendell, a brilliant therapist who works as well as Sam does as Jay does with the Allender

Center. So again, gentlemen, welcome and step us into this category.

Thanks for having us, Stan.

Good to be here.

Yeah, good to be with you, y'all.

Yes.

Thank you.

And we'll also admit that Sam is suffering

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