And so that was the first time that it really hit me like a ton of bricks of, oh, there's this thing that I'm called to do for whatever reason that I cannot explain.

But if I don't honor it, I know that life is not as full.

Welcome back to the art of accomplishment, where we explore living the life you want with enjoyment and ease.

Today's episode is a special one.

Joe sits down with Jerry Colonna and Steve Schloffman, who are both VCs who have become coaches.

Jerry is the CEO and co-founder of Reboot.io, an executive coaching and leadership

development firm dedicated to the notion that better humans make better leaders. Steve is the founder

of Downshift and a professional transition coach based in New York. He guides executives and founders

through intentional transitions and recovery from burnout. The three of them are going to talk about what it's like to live your purpose and the journeys

that each of them have taken in following theirs. I hope you enjoy it and that you get a lot out of it.

Well, I just have to say it's an honor to be with the two of you as older brothers.

I'm the younger brother here.

And so, you know, it's hard not to start by going into where we are in the world today.

There's love uncertainty.

A lot of people are scared.

So maybe starting with you, Joe, you know, what are you seeing in the leaders that you're working with?

How are they holding this uncertainty in this new world that we find ourselves?

It seems like there's two ways in which it's being held.

The first one is that they're holding it with a lot of fear.

And so typically what that does is that creates binary thinking. So it's good and bad, black or white, right and wrong when people

are in the fear without feeling the fear. And the other thing that's happening is there's a lot

of false end thinking that goes on.

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