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Hello and welcome to the Americano podcast, a series of discussions about American power, politics and society.

On each episode, I will talk to an American expert or an expert on America

about something that's going on in America in 2023. We are very honored to be joined here

in the spectator offices today by, dare I say it, an important American thinker. He's wincing. Patrick

Danine is a political theorist at the University of Notre Dame, and he is the author of

Why Liberalism Failed, which was a very successful and influential book, and he is the author of a new

book called Regime Change, a very dramatic title.

Patrick, thank you for coming in. Welcome to London.

My pleasure. Thanks for having me. It's nice to be here, even though I'm functioning

on about six hours' sleep in the last 48 hours. So extreme sleep deprivation.

When did you land?

We didn't discuss it.

That was yesterday morning.

Oh, right.

Well, fair enough.

Yeah.

Well, then we'll interrogate you fiercely.

Let's start with the obvious, possibly boring question.

What is the regime and why does it need to change?

I guess I, so I guess the first thing to say is that this is my first

conversation podcast interview about the book. It may be the last after after this, but it may be

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