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Knowing Faith

What Is The Church Doing Wrong? (The State Of Theology 2025 And Discipleship Report)

Knowing Faith

Training The Church

Church, Religion & Spirituality, Theology, Doctrine, Genesis, Spirituality, Religion, Christianity, Acts, Discipleship, Bible, God, Romans, Jesus, Trinity, Christian, Bible Study

4.92.5K Ratings

🗓️ 29 January 2026

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

Jen Wilkin, JT English, and Kyle Worley discuss the State of Theology survey, why it is so concerning, and what we can do next.

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0:00.0

This is Kyle Worley, and I'm joined by my co-host, Jen Wilkin and J.T. English.

0:14.6

Guys, how are we doing today? Guy and gal, how are we doing today? JT. You always wait for me to say something first.

0:23.4

It's because he says your name first, Jen, and just being kind. Just being chivalry.

0:29.1

Big fans. My favorite. Deferring. I'm good. Hey, can I, this is kind of fun just because

0:34.9

as our listeners know, we record this in the middle of ministry life and leading churches and ministries and speaking. Right now, Jen, you'd be so encouraged. Our women's Bible study at Storyline is having their final gathering together. And our men did it yesterday. So we finished our first semester through Exodus, almost 1,000 men and women just going through Exodus together. And I knew that you guys would love to celebrate Bible literacy with me. I got to do, I've never done it before. I've never taught the men's Bible study, but I taught it Monday night and Wednesday morning. And it was just so fun, just such a gift. My wife, who leads one of our little tables just sent me, they do, this is something new that we didn't use to do it in our previous spots. All the women

1:11.9

send in like, oh gosh, what's the app again where you can send in like prayer requests?

1:17.6

Slido? Uh-huh. Slido. Of like, what was your, what did God teach you this year? And so like,

1:22.1

then you can all see like what God did over the, over, you know, 600 women, 500 women.

1:29.3

It's just so encouraging to hear how the Lord uses his local church in the context of community Bible studies to transform

1:34.8

people's lives like I was just reading through it it's amazing so we're recording this and you

1:40.3

ask me I'm doing I'm doing great I love the local church I love discipleship in the local church

1:44.2

I love seeing the Lord use these environments that we care a lot about to actually uh deliver on what

1:49.8

we say that they're going to do that's actually a really great segue JT you've gotten I've rubbed off on you

1:55.3

here yeah I didn't have like a catchy line though well it, it's okay because it was sincere, you know?

2:01.2

It was sincere.

2:02.6

But this whole season, like last season, we were doing tricky topics and thorny questions.

2:06.9

And our question for today is, what is the church doing wrong?

2:10.1

And gosh, JT's sentiment, I know he believes that sincerely we all do.

2:14.0

We love the church.

2:15.7

We love the church.

2:17.1

For the three of us, our ministry has been within

2:20.6

and from and for the church for the bulk of our ministry. All three of us are actively involved

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