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The Lawfare Podcast

What Is Integrity in Social Media?

The Lawfare Podcast

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4.76.4K Ratings

🗓️ 4 November 2021

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

There’s been a lot of news recently about Facebook, and a lot of that news has focused on the frustration of employees assigned to the platform’s civic integrity team or other corners of the company focused on ensuring user trust and safety. If you read reporting on the documents leaked by Facebook whistleblower Frances Haugen, you’ll see again and again how these Facebook employees raised concerns about the platform and proposed solutions only to be shot down by executives.

That’s why it’s an interesting time to talk to two former Facebook employees who both worked on the platform’s civic integrity team. This week on Arbiters of Truth, our series on the online information ecosystem, Evelyn Douek and Quinta Jurecic spoke with Sahar Massachi and Jeff Allen, who recently unveiled a new project, the Integrity Institute, aimed at building better social media. The goal is to bring the expertise of current and former tech employees to inform the ongoing discussion around if and how to regulate big social media platforms. They dug into the details of what they feel the Institute can add to the conversation, the nitty-gritty of some of the proposals around transparency and algorithms that the Institute has already set out, and what the mood is among people who work in platform integrity right now. 

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Also, check out LawFair's other podcast offerings,

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rational security, chatter, law fair no bull, and the aftermath.

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Those of us who have been on integrity teams,

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just sort of struggling for years in the trenches of, you know,

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doing research, doing experiments, finding out all the ways that these platforms are failing,

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trying to propose changes and sometimes winning, but often losing.

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I'm Quinted Jurassic, and this is the LawFair podcast.

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November 4, 2021.

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Today we're bringing you another episode of Arbordos of Truth,

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our series on the online information ecosystem.

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There's been a lot of news recently about Facebook,

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and a lot of that news has focused on the frustration of employees assigned to the platform's civic integrity team,

1:17.0

or other corners of the company focused on ensuring user trust and safety.

1:21.0

If you read reporting on the documents leaked by Facebook whistleblower friends as Hogan,

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you'll see again and again how these Facebook employees raised concerns about the platform

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and proposed solutions, only to be shot down by executives.

1:35.0

That's why it's an interesting time to talk to two former Facebook employees

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who both worked on the platform's civic integrity team.

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