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The Lawfare Podcast

The Metaverse and Its Discontents

The Lawfare Podcast

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4.76.4K Ratings

🗓️ 3 November 2021

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

Last week, Facebook unveiled its new corporate brand—Meta—and its corresponding vision for a new immersive world called the metaverse. The rebrand announcement attracted plenty of consternation from tech journalists, but there are also plenty of interesting issues about the metaverse itself. What type of content moderation problems does virtual reality pose? How might we think about the challenges of platform governance in this new age? What aspects of the metaverse are most worth paying attention to? Jacob Schulz sat down with Lawfare’s Alan Rozenshtein and Quinta Jurecic to talk it all through. 

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no bull and the aftermath.

0:32.6

All of those issues are going to be magnified.

0:36.0

I'm sure there will be other issues as well, but even if we were to limit ourselves just

0:40.2

to thinking of the metaverse as Facebook on steroids and the metaverse will be much

0:44.8

more than that.

0:45.8

But even for it to think of it in this limited way, that would be enough to raise huge,

0:49.7

huge red flags.

0:50.7

Now, I don't think personally and maybe Quintet disagrees with me.

0:54.6

I don't think red flags such that we should not pursue it.

0:58.7

The history of human civilization is the history of the creation of new and more sophisticated

1:06.0

technological means of communication.

1:08.8

All of those have their costs and their benefits, but I don't think humanity has ever

1:12.9

succeeded in the past, nor do I think it will ever succeed in the future in coming up

1:16.5

with a new form of communication and then not using it.

1:19.7

I think the existence of the metaverse is a completely foregone conclusion at this

1:23.6

point.

1:24.6

The only question is, can we design it in a way as to minimize the negative effects?

1:29.8

And I think we can.

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