Welcome once again to the conversation is that matter of podcast. I'm your host as always John Harris with two friends of mine who have both been on the podcast before we have

Zach Garris and Sean McGowan and Zach is a pasture at Bryce

Avenue Presbyterian Church and White Rock New Mexico and we also have Sean

McGowan with us who is a pastor at

Westminster Presbyterian and Tallahassee and on the board of Covenant College now.

Congratulations to you, Sean, and thank you for both of you coming on and weighing in on the PCA.

Thanks for having me, brother.

Appreciate it, because I have, I think a number of listeners in the audience who are

PCA members, and I get emails emails occasionally and I think they're frustrated that I've talked about the SBC. I don't know how many episodes I put out like eight since the convention on the SBC. And the PCA, of course, is smaller, but it is, it's the largest Presbyterian denomination,

I believe, in the United States, is that correct?

No, we're not the largest but with the largest conservative evangelical.

The largest Christian Presbyterian denomination.

We will...

Given enough time, we will be the largest.

Okay, so you're growing then.

And well, and the other one is dying, the PC USA.

Right, yeah.

I noticed, let's start the conversation off this way.

I noticed that the OPC Orthodox

Presbyterian Church put out a statement within the last two weeks on critical

race theory but stuff stuff that topic.

And it was very disappointing for conservatives.

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