Welcome once again to the conversation. This is that matter

podcast. I'm going to look at some more reactions from woke adjacent

evangelicals on the Dobbs decision. I didn't finish them all yesterday and I think it would be important if you

haven't seen yesterday's episode you probably should go watch that I outlined

I think the four ways or categorize the four ways that a lot of social

justice-minded evangelicals are reacting to this whole overturning of Roe v. Wade and

to summarize if they do, which some of them are not, but if they do, generally they have to do so in such a way that they present themselves as politically neutral or politically moderate.

So they can't just in one breath say that it's good that abortion is not a constitutionally

guaranteed right anymore and we praise the decision they have to or they have had to

over the last few days in the same breath in the same tweet in the same post in the

same sermon highlight other quote-unquote justice issues or if they don't do that they

have to at the very least talk about how important it is for the church to do more for mothers and loving mothers. And of course they don't really talk about

fathers, but they talk about mothers and how it's so important right now to love mothers.

And they can't just let it hang out there that this is murder and that's now that

constitutional protection for it is gone.

And full stop.

And so I think that this is a tactic to try to get the church to Christians, but it's not individual Christians so much as it is the institution I think of the church to get off point to try to rearrange the whole purpose and

the mission of the church into now rectifying disparities equity inclusion, making sure that the quote-unquote conditions that lead to abortion are rectified.

Well, what are those? We're going to now put on all these progressive secular glasses to figure that out.

Well, it has to do with out. It has to do with economics, it has to do with

racial disparities, it has something to do with access to health care, and so we need to try to

make sure that there's free daycare and more maternity leave and we need to make

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