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Another Day with Ana Marie Cox

What Does It Take to Stay Kind in a Brutal Industry? with Josh Gondelman and Maris Kreizman

Another Day with Ana Marie Cox

Ana Marie Cox and Open Mike Eagle

News, Arts, Performing Arts, Business, Society & Culture, Politics

4.66.4K Ratings

🗓️ 9 July 2025

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

Comedian Josh Gondelman and writer Maris Kreizman join us to talk about surviving the creative economy as individuals and as a couple. We dig into the emotional labor of staying hopeful, the financial logistics of making art with no guarantees, and what happens when even the “success stories” feel precarious. If you want more from Josh and Maris, there’s bonus conversations waiting for you at patreon.com/pastdue. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:53.7

it's about keeping everything keeping the lights on. It's about keeping

0:54.5

everything secure. Josh has a level of optimism. You cannot beat out of him. And I appreciate

1:03.4

it so much and it's made me so much more optimistic myself. But optimism alone doesn't pay the

1:10.6

bills, especially when creative work is unstable,

1:13.2

undervalued, and the public often considers it a hobby and not a job.

1:17.1

That's kind of always, like, I think this is such an American thing also, is that, like,

1:22.0

I, before I was full-time doing comedy and writing, I was a preschool teacher and a tutor.

1:28.9

Josh Gondelman is a stand-up comedian and TV writer.

1:32.0

Maris Kreisman is a critic, author, and longtime champion of books and writers.

1:36.8

Together, they've weathered the collapse of media jobs, the uncertainty of freelance life,

1:41.0

and the emotional mindfield of making things that matter in a world that doesn't

1:44.5

always pay for that kind of work. What does it take to build a life and a relationship in the

1:49.8

creative economy as a couple of creatives? Because sometimes making it work means supporting

1:55.6

each other emotionally, financially, and professionally all at once.

2:05.9

The creative economy is broken, but some people are still making it work.

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