What If Fear Is What Keeps You Working? with Xochitl Gonzalez

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Ana Marie Cox and Open Mike Eagle

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🗓️ 2 July 2025

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Despite writing bestsellers and landing a Reese’s Book Club pick, Xochitl Gonzalez opens up about the lingering shame of precarity, the invisibility of working-class success, and why we need to drag money talk out into the light. Love this? Hear more from the conversation with Xochitl Gonzalez at patreon.com/pastdue Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hey, I'm Mark Ronson.
0:04.0	And I'm Ray.
0:05.0	To celebrate 150 years of Atmar Pige, we've teamed up to create something timeless.
0:11.0	A tribute to legacy, rhythm and craft, with a very special connection at its heart.
0:16.0	A soundscape from two cities, two perspectives, and one shared vision.
0:21.0	Introducing our brand new song, Suzanne.
0:28.1	Fear drives my work ethic. I think I have a disgusting work ethic. Like, I don't think it's good.
0:35.8	What does it mean to succeed in a world where every win feels temporary and every hustle has to outrun collapse?
0:42.7	Sotra Gonzalez is a bestselling writer, and in her words,
0:45.7	I am doing really well in three collapsing industries.
0:49.2	In this episode, she talks about building a creative life on unstable ground,
0:53.3	the fear that fuels her brutal work ethic,
0:56.0	and while surviving as a writer, often feels less like a calling and more like running a one
1:00.9	woman marketing agency with no benefits.
1:05.0	The creative economy is broken, but some people are still making it work.
1:09.5	We're here to find out how.
1:11.2	I'm open, Mike Eagle.
1:12.3	And I'm Anna Marie Cox.
1:13.4	And this is past two.
1:21.8	Welcome to the show.
1:23.9	Thanks for having me.
1:25.7	Yeah.
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