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The Rundown by PoliticsHome

What Can Starmer Learn From May?

The Rundown by PoliticsHome

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4.1105 Ratings

🗓️ 18 July 2025

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

This week marks nine years since Theresa May entered Downing Street, after David Cameron’s resignation the morning after the EU referendum, but while Brexit was the reason she became Prime Minister, ultimately it was the thing that ended her premiership too, after she was unable to get a deal through Parliament.


Consequently most look back on her tenure as a failure, but looking back now while her three years in Number 10 were undoubtedly some of the most chaotic in recent memory, they might also be some of the most consequential, with events and legislation taking place that still impact our politics now, despite the vast stream of history that has thundered through in the years since she left office.


So joining host Alain Tolhurst to take another look at what Theresa May’s time as PM achieved, and what the current Downing Street incumbent Keir Starmer can learn about dealing with a difficult inheritance and global headwinds while also trying to get your own agenda implemented, I’m delighted to be joined by Baroness JoJo Penn, who was her deputy chief of staff.


Alongside her is Seema Kennedy, the former Tory MP who was May’s Parliamentary Private Secretary, and is now executive director of Fair Civil Justice, and also the journalist and author Isabel Hardman, assistant editor of The Spectator, and also appearing in the episode is Paul Harrison, who Theresa May’s press secretary.



Presented by Alain Tolhurst, produced by Nick Hilton and edited by Ewan Cameron for Podot

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to The Rundown, a podcast from Politics Home with me Alan Tolhurst.

0:08.9

This week marked nine years since Theresa May entered Downing Street, after her rivals fell in a heap

0:13.7

one by one in a chaotic Tory leadership contest following David Cameron's resignation the morning

0:18.4

after the EU referendum. And while Brexit was the reason

0:21.4

she became Prime Minister, ultimately it was the thing that ended her premiership too, after she was

0:26.0

unable to get a deal through Parliament. And consequently, most look back on her tenure as a failure.

0:31.0

But looking back now, while her three years in Number 10 were undoubtedly some of the most chaotic,

0:35.2

they might also be some of the most consequential, with events and legislation taking place that still impact our politics now,

0:41.3

despite the vast stream of history that's thundered through in the year since she left office.

0:45.5

So with me to take another look at what Theresa May's time as PM achieved,

0:49.5

what the current Downing Street incumbent Kirstama can learn about dealing with the difficult

0:53.0

inheritance and global headwinds, while also trying to get your own agenda implemented, and delighted

0:58.1

to be joined by Baroness Jojo Penn, who was Deputy Chief of Staff under Theresa May. Alongside

1:02.9

her is Seema Kennedy, the former Tory MP, who is May's parliamentary private secretary,

1:07.3

and also the journalist and author Isabel Hardman, assistant editor of The Spectator.

1:11.5

And later in the episode, I'll catch up with Paul Harrison, who was Theresa May's press

1:15.0

secretary.

1:20.9

But first, I wanted to start with you, Isabel. You covered the May premiership extensively.

1:25.4

Six years or so after she stepped down, what are your kind of

1:28.6

main thoughts about it? I was watching something where Alan Duncan talked about her having a

1:33.6

turbocharged hospital pass when she started. Is that really kind of the defining feature,

1:37.8

I suppose, of how we look back now on her premiership? Yeah, I mean, the Conservative Party was

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