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The Rundown by PoliticsHome

Macron and Starmer Revive ‘Entente Cordiale'

The Rundown by PoliticsHome

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4.1105 Ratings

🗓️ 11 July 2025

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Summary

With this week’s state visit to Britain by Emmanuel Macron, we’re looking at the state of UK-Franco relations, and how important a new ‘entente cordiale’ is to Keir Starmer as he deals with political problems both home and abroad.

Joining host Alain Tolhurst to discuss why the French president is open to a rapprochement after a pretty frosty few years post-Brexit, what both sides have been able to agree on, and what still divides them, are Sir Peter Westmacott, a former UK ambassador to France, as well as Ben Lake, Plaid Cymru MP and chair of the All Party Parliamentary Group on France.

Alongside them are Francois-Joseph Schichan, director at Flint Global and former career diplomat in the French diplomatic service, Adam Plowright, ex-deputy editor-in-chief for Europe at Agence France Presse and a biographer of Emmanuel Macron, and Matilda Martin, reporter at PoliticsHome.


Presented by Alain Tolhurst, produced by Nick Hilton and edited by Ewan Cameron for Podot

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to The Rundown, a podcast from politics home with me Alan Tolest.

0:09.2

Or should I say this week, bonjour and bienvenu. As with this week's state visit to Britain by

0:13.5

Emmanuel Macron, we're looking at the state of UK Franco relations and how important a new

0:17.6

Entente Cordial is to Kirstarmer as he deals with political problems, both home and abroad.

0:22.7

We'll mean to discuss why the French president is open to a reproschement after a pretty frosty few years post-Brexit,

0:28.1

what both sides have been able to agree on so far and what still divides them,

0:31.8

and delighted to be joined by a fantastic panel, started with Sir Peter Westmacott, a former UK ambassador to France, as well as Ben Lake,

0:38.4

Plaid Cumbary MP, and chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on France.

0:42.4

Alongside him is Francois-Chicin, Director at Flint Global and a former career diplomat in the

0:46.9

French diplomatic service. Adam Plowwright, ex-depity editor-in-chief for Europe at Azonfront

0:51.7

Press, and a biographer of Emmanuel Macron. And finally, my colleague Matilda Martin, reporter at Politics Home, who's been covering the state visit for us.

1:04.4

So I'm going to start with you, Matilda. We're recording this ahead of the big press conference on Thursday afternoon.

1:08.9

But wherever we kind of got to so far and what have been the big agreement so far between the two governments? Yeah, sure. So I guess it's probably

1:15.4

worth mentioning straight off that this is part of a three-day state visit. It's a first state

1:20.9

visit of an EU leader since Brexit. It's a quite a big deal. And also the first of French leaders

1:27.1

since 2008. So they've quite a big deal. And also the first of French leaders since 2008.

1:29.4

So they've certainly got a lot to get through. Obviously, the main part of this visit has been

1:37.0

the want to get that migration deal over the line, that one in one out deal that we can talk about

1:41.8

a bit later. But we've also had some deals already

1:45.0

announced on defence and security, nuclear power as well. And we've obviously got a kind of

1:51.7

huge, huge meeting of the coalition of the willing today as well. So we can probably expect

1:56.9

something to come out of that might be quite substantial, might be something a little bit

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