The climber gets just about to the top of the climb and then slips and falls.

Just at a moment when they were changing over the ropes.

So the rope is just free spinning and the guy is free falling, you know, off the cliff.

And this guy grabs the robe and catches it and stops the rope.

And what you have to realize is these ropes are made of nylon and there is incredible friction.

So you can't really just grab a rope, you know, and stop it.

But he did and he caught him and he felt no pain.

And then he looked down at his hands and the rope had burned all the way through to the

book.

This is like mind, like body, a podcast about the crazy ways our thoughts and feelings

can actually shape our physical health.

I'm your host, Laura Sago, and each week I'll sit down with someone who knows way more

about science than I do to soak up their knowledge and help you achieve the best physical

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On today's episode, I'm speaking with Dr. Tor Waker, director of the Cognitive and Effective Neuroscience

Lab at the University of Colorado, Boulder. If you're a science nerd, I can say with certainty

that you are going to love this

episode. Tour takes us through the inner workings of brain science, breaking down the placebo

effect, the neuroscience of chronic pain, and telling a few good stories along the way. Let's dive in.

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