I remember a woman who was at something that I was doing and she was talking about being

on the phone with her son as that son was describing the plane heading towards the World

Trade Center.

It was just so chilling that the sun was saying, you know, oh, there's a plane up ahead, and it looks awfully close to here. I don't really get that. Why would it be that close? And as it continued, like, he basically is telling his mother

that the plane is about to hit the building,

and all of a sudden the line goes dead.

What do you do? sudden the line goes dead.

What do you do when there's no redemption for what you've lost?

No apology for what's been taken from you?

How can something like forgiveness be possible?

Today, we're going to find out.

This is like Mind, Like body, a podcast about the crazy ways our thoughts and feelings can actually shape our physical health.

I'm your host, Laura Sego, and each week I'll sit down with someone who knows way more about

science than I do to soak up their knowledge

and help you achieve the best physical and mental well-being of your life.

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On today's episode, I'm speaking with Dr. Fred Luskin, director of the Stanford University

Forgiveness Project, an author of several books about forgiveness, including Forgive For Good, a proven prescription for health and happiness.

We'll talk to him about his personal struggles with forgiveness, the most common misconceptions about what it really means,

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