Hello and welcome to this day in esoteric political history from radiatopia.

My name is Jody Abergan.

And we refuse week continues.

Our very own Kelly Carter Jackson has a new book. We refuse a

forceful history of black resistance and as listeners know you write a book, you get a week.

So here we are the second of third episodes on the book and some of the

fascinating stories within here as always Nicole Hammer of Vanderbilt and author

Kelly Carter Jackson of Wowsley hello there. Hello Jody. Hey there. You've been

author for a while but you know I just gave you that new title here.

Now she's an author author. Yeah exactly. So there's a specific story from the book that I think we're going to focus on in this episode, but just in terms of kind of writing the book, and both of you have done this, and I'm really fascinated by it as someone who talks into a microphone a lot, but you recorded the audio book for this too?

I did, I did.

And I took a lot of tips from Nicky,

because Nicky did it first, and I didn't realize, and Nicky you've said this too that like you don't

realize how many words you don't know how to pronounce.

Uh-huh.

You go to the court.

I still get letters Kelly, so just know that's your future.

Oh man for me it was well the the first chapter is on revolution and so we look at you

know the American revolution the

French revolution the Haitian revolution more specifically and all of

these French names I was like oh my God I took French like I took French even in college and I was like so and it's so funny because the

sound you know producer will like play you a clip of like how you pronounce the

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