Hello and welcome to this day in esoteric political history from radiotopia.

My name is Jody Abergan.

And we are here on the third and final episode of We Refuse Week where we are marking the

release of Kelly Carter Jackson's new book called We Refuse a forceful history of Black

Resistance here as always Nicole

hammer of Vanderbilt and Kelly Carter Jackson of Wellesley. Hello there.

Hello Jody. Hey there. So a quick recap the first episode we talked a little bit about the book in general and your personal connection to this book second episode we told the story of Carrie Johnson 1919.

I trust that

everyone between that episode and this went and read the book to find out these shocking

twist and turns that that story takes after she is arrested.

But we mentioned how one of the themes in your book is this idea of joy and how there's this

sort of very nuanced and interesting relationship between joy and resistance and force and

violence and all those things.

So that's what we want to talk about today and we have a couple specific stories, but I actually

think a really good way to get into that is by talking about the incredible cover to your book, which I should also also say I'm going to go and say is what

was the only historical book cover to ever go viral on Twitter like when you

announced this book cover and the show to the artwork, it went nuts, like people were feeling it.

So we'll post photos of it on social and all that stuff, and if you buy the the book you can look and see the photo but

you know tell us a little bit about this cover and then moreover I think it just

captures in one image all of those interweaving strands that we've talked about

about stoicism and violence and joy and beauty you know yes I love the

artwork it is by Tahoeh Clayton who is a black Brooklyn artist and the story behind it is kind of interesting he had an art exhibit and my

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