Hey everyone I wanted to let you know that up on our YouTube page we have a short video with me and Nicky and Kelly reacting to the Donald Trump guilty verdict from this week.

Some thoughts on how to place this in history, some other historical moments that are coming to mind as we watch this very big historical moment play out.

We're trying to experiment with a little more video here on the show, especially as we watch this election year year play out so you will get to see our

faces you'll get a little analysis and reaction we had fun doing it hopefully you enjoy

it we're trying to build up our YouTube page. So go ahead and track it down and subscribe

and let us know if you like it.

If you want to see more, so forth,

you can search this day pod on YouTube.

There are also links in the show notes

and on our social handles and all that stuff, you will find it.

Go check it out.

Hello and welcome to this day in esoteric political history from Radiotopia. My name is Jody Avrigan.

And welcome everyone to We Refuse Week. Our very own Kelly Carter Jackson has written a new book and as listeners know we have one hard and fast rule on this

Podcast if you write a book you get a week so here we are for We refuse week and I'm going to get right into it here as always

Nicole Hammer of Vanderbilt and most importantly Kelly Carter Jackson of Wellesley

author of the new book We Refuse. Hello Kelly. Hey there. Hello Nicki.

Hello congratulations Kelly this is Hello, Hello, congratulations, Kelly.

This is, I got my hard copy

a couple days ago, and A, it's a beautiful book

which I know we'll talk about,

but it's also so, so good. so I'm excited to chat about it I am so

hype it's like a child is being born all writers know like how long it takes all the work and effort you put into a book. It's it's just a lot

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