Don't hold anything too tightly. Just wish for it, want it, let it come from the

intention of real truth for you, and then let it go. For me our soul is like it's

unbound, it's limitless, but we will use words to limit ourselves. When people

stop believing that somebody's got your back or Superman's coming we turn to

ourselves and that's where you become empowered. Courageous participation attracts

positive things. I'm Gwyneth Paltrow. This is the Goop podcast bringing together

thought leaders, culture changers, creatives, founders and CEOs, scientists,

doctors, healers and seekers. Here to start conversations because simply asking

questions and listening has the power to change the way we see the world.

Today is no exception. I'll let Elise fill you in on her extraordinary guest.

All right, over to Elise. Our guest today is Dr. Melody Hayes. Dr. Hayes is a UCSF

trained anesthesiologist, a healer, a spiritual teacher and a powerful voice

in the psychedelic movement. Though she has worked in traditional medicine for

her entire career, her spirituality is central to her being. It greatly informs

her work as a physician and how she approaches human healing.

Today we talk about the function of healing circles and how she believes they can

help break down intergenerational trauma. We talk about how to make the therapy

model accessible for everyone and we talk about the ways that racism and

classism feed into our illusions of scarcity. We also talk about why she

believes that shame is at the center of the divisiveness in our country

and how we can each take ownership of the shame that we, perhaps unknowingly,

thrust onto others. Really, when you try to shame someone into correction,

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