Don't hold anything too tightly. Just wish for it, want it, let it come from the

intention of real truth for you, and then let it go. For me our soul is like it's

unbound, it's limitless, but we will use words to limit ourselves. When people

stop believing that somebody's got your back or Superman's coming we turn to

ourselves and that's where you become empowered. Courageous participation attracts

positive things. I'm Gwyneth Paltrow. This is the Goop podcast, bringing together

thought leaders, culture changers, creatives, founders and CEOs, scientists,

doctors, healers and seekers, here to start conversations because simply asking

questions and listening has the power to change the way we see the world.

Today is no exception. I'll let Elise fill you in on her extraordinary guest.

All right, over to Elise. One of my favorite books I've read this year and one that I'm sure

I'll return to again and again is Catherine Maye's newest, Wintering, the power of rest and retreat

in difficult times. In it she explores how we can change the way we relate to difficult periods

in our lives. Drawing on lessons from nature, literature and mythology she works to normalize

our need to retreat in order to tend to our wounds, heal, reflect and re-emerge.

Today we talk about the ways that intergenerationaly we've been taught to look down on other

people's misfortune, which in turn makes it nearly impossible for us to respect the sadness

in our own lives. We talk about being addicted to productivity and busyness which is something

that I think rings true from many of us and she shares how she works to actively accept the sadness

in her life and to see times of retreat a space for growth and learning while also recognizing

and honoring its inherent pain. Catherine's work was a very welcome solve for me and I'm excited

to share it with all of you. We have got to start feeling responsible for controlling that because

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