“We could have a baby by NEXT YEAR” - The Turning Point in our Surrogacy Journey
He Said, She Said
Staying Relevant Productions
4.3 • 888 Ratings
🗓️ 21 April 2026
⏱️ 60 minutes
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Summary
Louise has had a rare few days alone while Ryan and Leo headed off on their first father–son trip. Ryan reflects on what that one-on-one time meant to him, while Louise opens up about something many mums don’t say out loud: that she enjoyed the space, and why she refuses to feel guilt for needing time to herself.
That honesty leads into a bigger conversation. Inspired by Emma Grede describing herself as a “three-hour mum”, we unpack the pressure around modern motherhood. How much time is “enough” with your kids, what’s expectation versus reality, and how our own experiences shape the kind of parents we want to be.
We also share a major surrogacy update. It’s a big step forward, and one that brings a mix of hope, nerves, and the weight of everything starting to feel very real. And to close, we answer a listener question about how we navigated our darkest moments together and what it really took to come out the other side.
00:00 Introduction
01:50 Our double date weekend away
03:26 Our driving habits
07:22 Sam forgot to book a hotel room!
15:32 Ryan first trip alone with Leo
19:48 Ryan's Vision of Fatherhood
28:28 Louise's Solo Time away from Leo
34:03 No Mum Guilt in Taking Time Off
37:39 Emma Grede ‘Three Hour Mom’ Controversy
41:34 Sacrifices and Adaptability in Parenting
43:43 Our BIG Surrogacy Update
52:37 Listener Question: Keeping the Spark Alive Through Trauma
58:51 See you next week!
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| 0:00.0 | Hi. |
| 0:01.7 | Hello. |
| 0:37.9 | Your waist is so small. You've got a scarf around it. That's so cute. It's not even a scarf, actually. No, sorry. I love this headscarf trend because it means that I can cover my stoma bag around my waist. Isn't that quite sweet? But don't you need to have the longer flap on the other side? Yeah, it is actually the wrong way around. Because Winnie's not blown up yet. I like this after it. It's kind of like Spanish meets Western feet. Yeah, like in Yellowstone. Yeah, that's not bad. That's great. I am giving Western. You haven't even seen Yellowstone, have you? No. I'm just assuming they're all cowboys. I've actually been to Wyoming before. |
| 0:39.7 | I went on a dude ranch with my mom and my brother. |
| 0:42.2 | That's epic. |
| 0:43.0 | When I was 11. |
| 0:44.2 | Or like a bit older, actually. |
| 0:45.5 | I think I had just started my period. |
| 0:46.8 | It was really an awkward trip. |
| 0:48.3 | Oh, no. |
| 0:48.7 | Because I didn't have any sanitary products. |
| 0:50.4 | And I had to bounce around on horses for a week. |
| 0:53.7 | It was so uncomfortable. And there were no shops. It was in the middle of nowhere. And then my mum was like, why aren't you getting in the jacuzzi? Oh, no. And I couldn't even say. Is that not the moment where you're like, mum, you need to help me out here? I've got a situation. We'd never really had that kind of relationship, which is pretty tricky. |
| 1:13.3 | Really? |
| 1:14.1 | Yeah. But it was fine, because obviously, we all know I went to boarding school and everyone loved talking about periods when we were there. |
| 1:19.9 | It was a competition who could start first. |
| 1:21.9 | Oh, God. |
| 1:22.7 | So I got my resources. |
| 1:24.6 | Okay. |
| 1:25.7 | From my mates. |
| 1:27.1 | Fair. |
| 1:27.7 | Let's talk about last weekend. Let's talk about last weekend. |
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