So one thing I think that all these profilers agreed upon was that it was to get back at Savannah.

And no one here was claiming neither Jim Clementi, either Gary Bucato, neither Anne Burgess,

that this was a home invasion or kidnapping for money. But again, these are

guesses. And how do we explain? I mean, we had another really brilliant law enforcement person

on the show. Actually, Matt Murphy, who was a L.A. County District Attorney, who was, I think, 50 and O in homicide cases,

he says, he believes all those ransom notes were absolute bullshit, that they were not, they were not real.

They just were, you know, people opportunists jumping on this case and trying to make some money out of it.

So when we look at this case and look at the potentiality that all three of these

profilers said this was revenge.

This was to get back at Savannah Guthrie.

Phil, you're shaking your head.

I mean, Billy, was Savannah Guthrie so

controversial? Her name wasn't Trump. I mean, if it was a Trump or some politician or some

person that's publicly hated, Savannah Guthrie, you build a tremendous hate for her and you want to

get revenge on her and so you're going to go kill her mother or abduct her mother. I just don't see it, Billy. I'm sorry. I mean, you know, she's not controversial in any way, shape, or form. If you ever watched her on the morning show, she's very pleasant. She seems, I don't know, like the girl next door, so to speak. And to me, I don't see that.

Now, I don't know her personally.

I don't know what was going on in her personal life.

Could there have been some person, some random psychopath that did have an extreme hate towards a, yeah, of course.

But they seem to be all pointing in that direction that this is a revenge thing and I just don't see it.

If it were, go in, hurt her, kill her, whatever it is, and leave, why would you go in there and go through all of these things?

And I've said it before, keeping it simple.

To me, the theory that they're coming coming up coming up with is just way too

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