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ask in store for details. Hello and welcome to the Red Box Politics Podcast in The Times, I'm Matt Chorley.

This is the second in our special walking out with Tory leadership contenders

the one problem well there's two problems with today's episode we can't get to the

park because it's all been fenced off for the benefit of Donald Trump and it's

raining quite really quite heavily I'm with Matt Hancock who's currently holding the

umbrella. I'm not sure we're going to do very much actual walking. Well I'm the

sunshine and optimism candidate. But it's not working. It's not working.

It's another broken promise.

No, but Matt, I believe that the weather is going to turn and that the future is bright.

And that just round that corner, the sun will come out and the world will be a better place.

This is the sort of deranged nonsense we get from Brexiteers.

If only we believe the sun was shining, it was all going to be all right.

It's true that we've got a bright future ahead of ourselves. It's true that this is the best time ever to be alive. It's true that people live longer, healthier, happier lives than ever before. It doesn't mean there aren't lots of things we need to do to make it better,

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