Hello and welcome to the Red Box Politics Podcast The Times, I'm Matt Jolly.

This is the latest in our installments of walking out with leadership contenders, toy leadership contenders.

I'm absolutely delighted to be joined by Andrea Lubbock. leadership contenders just up the road from the Treasury and the House of Parliament.

This is significant because this is the first time you've spoken to the Times for three years,

and the last time you spoke to the Times during a Tory leadership contest

it didn't end terribly

happily. So we'll deal with all that later.

We'll deal with all that later.

Let's though, because originally the Walking Out

podcast started when people kept walking out

of political parties and resigning from things.

So let's talk about your most recent foray into the news and your decision to leave the

cabinet.

Why you chose to do it when you did and how many times did you got that close before that point?

Well the last three years were pretty tricky I have to say I was determined to support

the Prime Minister to deliver Brexit and you know it did mean uncomfortable

times but um really the the only time I just knew I couldn't couldn't carry on

was the withdrawal agreement bill having in it a clause that would

in effect enable a second referendum if the House voted for it and not only that but a commitment

that if the House did vote for it then legislation

would be put in place and that would have meant another extension to Article 50.

So that for me I'm afraid totally breached the red line so I had to ring the Prime Minister and

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