Virgil Walker on Christian Nationalism and G3
Conversations That Matter
Jon Harris
4.6 • 1K Ratings
🗓️ 10 September 2025
⏱️ 39 minutes
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Summary
Join host Jon Harris on the Conversations That Matter podcast for a discussion with Virgil Walker, teaching pastor at Redeemer Bible Church in Arizona and former host of the Just Thinking podcast. Jon and Virgil cover Virgil's ministry journey, the rise and fall of G3 Ministries, the Christian nationalism debate, and the Josh Bice scandal. They also discuss evangelicalism, personal sanctification, and the future of expository preaching in America. Virgil shares lessons from ministry betrayals and his vision for faithful ministry.
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| 0:00.0 | Nothing hurt in the way that things did as the whole G3 thing unfolded with Josh and all that came out there after. |
| 0:28.1 | Welcome once again to the Conversations That Matter podcast on your host, John Harris. We have a special guest today, Virgil Walker, who I don't know if he's actually been on the podcast. |
| 0:32.9 | I'm trying to think. |
| 0:33.7 | I know we've had conversations in the past. |
| 0:36.2 | And of course, many of you who are in the audience |
| 0:37.9 | probably know him from his Just Thinking podcast with Daryl Harrison during the social justice years. |
| 0:42.9 | He was saying many of the same things I was saying about concern for where evangelicals were going at |
| 0:47.9 | the time. But we're going to talk today a little bit about G3, maybe about Christian nationalism, |
| 0:52.5 | where Virgil Walker is now. And I'm looking |
| 0:55.7 | forward to it. If you want to find out more about Virgil Walker, you go to Virgil Walker, |
| 0:59.6 | min, short from ministries.com. He is the teaching pastor at Redeemer Bible Church out in Arizona. |
| 1:06.3 | And welcome to the podcast, Virgil. Amen. It's an honor to be on. This is a long time coming, John. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I met you and Daryl, I think it was in 2020 right before, like weeks before, everything shut down. And the Shepard's conference was the last conference that year. And we just happened to be there. And I remember right after I think I met you, I sat down and someone at the table started saying there was a rumor someone was sick. |
| 1:32.9 | And it was, you know, three weeks later, of course, the world changed. |
| 1:36.6 | But anyway, it's been a few years since then. |
| 1:39.9 | And I think from a distance, I've seen what you've been up to. |
| 1:43.2 | You've seen what I've been up to. You've seen what I've been up to. |
| 1:44.8 | And I just want to give you an opportunity with my audience to kind of explain your journey, where it's taken you, G3. |
| 1:54.8 | People know what happened with Josh Bice and Steve Lawson and kind of the future of evangelicalism. |
| 2:00.8 | Yeah. Well, I appreciate John. First of all, man, I've been a fan of yours since that time. |
| 2:05.9 | When I got to G3, I want to say, I'm trying to remember if that was the conference. |
| 2:11.1 | This is 2020. No, I wouldn't have been. I wasn't at G3 at the time. It was just thinking that |
| 2:16.4 | that had me there at |
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