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I'm your host, John Harris.

And just as I started the intro, my co-host, Matthew Pearson, arrived.

Hey, Matthew, how you doing?

Can you hear me?

I cannot hear you if you are trying to speak. So let me know if, uh, when you can hear me.

You might be just muted. I think that's on your end, though. Okay, Matthew's going to reenter

the chat. I don't know what happened there. Um, but we have a big show for you today uh both matthew and i

we're going to be talking about this situation down in charlotte north carolina some of you

are watching my podcast earlier conversations that matter and since i did that podcast actually

there's been more developments so uh there's there's just a lot that can be said.

It's blowing up online right now, of course.

People are weighing in with all kinds of different angles.

And I think understandably, just anger.

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