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The Interview

Victoria Spartz: Has Donald Trump switched sides on Ukraine?

The Interview

BBC

News, Government, Politics

4.3537 Ratings

🗓️ 26 February 2025

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Summary

Stephen Sackur speaks to US Congresswoman Victoria Spartz. Born and raised in Ukraine and now a Donald Trump loyalist, what does she make of the US president’s strategy of pushing for peace in Ukraine by labelling Ukraine’s President Zelensky a dictator and appearing to hand Vladimir Putin a series of diplomatic gifts?

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0:00.0

Welcome to Hard Talk from the BBC World Service with me, Stephen Sacker. My guest in this interview

0:05.9

recorded on the 24th of February is a Republican member of the US House of Representatives

0:12.0

with very personal reasons to care deeply about America's rapidly changing strategy in Ukraine.

0:20.6

Victoria Sparts was born and raised in northern Ukraine.

0:24.7

She emigrated to the United States after falling in love with an American midwesterner

0:29.1

some 25 years ago.

0:31.3

She forged a business career in her adopted state of Indiana and then got into politics,

0:36.6

espousing a brand of conservatism

0:38.7

focused on small government and low taxes. She's now in her third term as a Republican

0:45.1

Congresswoman with a reputation for fierce loyalty to Donald Trump and his MAGA movement.

0:51.9

That loyalty now faces a big test. In his first month in office, the president

0:57.7

has turned US strategy in Ukraine on its head. In his pursuit of a rapid end to the war,

1:03.9

begun by Putin's all-out invasion of Ukraine three years ago, Trump has branded Ukraine's

1:09.7

President Zelensky a dictator. He's begun direct talks

1:13.5

with the Kremlin without any Ukrainian or European representation and handed Putin a number of

1:20.1

unprompted diplomatic gifts. How does a Ukrainian-American Republican feel about that. And despite her sympathy for Donald Trump's desire to

1:29.8

slash the size and cost of the federal government, is Elon Musk's Department of Government

1:35.5

efficiency the right and best way to do it. Is Congresswoman Sparts all in with the Trump

1:42.2

agenda wherever it's taking America.

1:45.6

Well, she joins me now on the line from Indiana.

1:48.7

Welcome to Hard Talk.

1:50.3

Thank you for having, Ms. Stephen.

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