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slash voxpod this is recode media peter kofka that is me talking to you from a medium-sized

room in new York City.

We go back in time to the West Coast, to our Code Media Conference.

This is my conversation with Vice Media CEO Nancy Dubuque.

Very glad to have her on.

I've been reading a lot about Vice for a long time, reporting about Vice for a long time,

and we got to hear how she is trying to remake the company.

As you probably know, since you're listening to this podcast, this was the company founded by Shane Smith. He's still there. We talked a lot about sort of operating in his shadow and how she's going to climb out of that shadow and how she's going to remake the place, and also how she's working with the new folks she just acquired from Refinery 29. One of the programming note, we've been giving you a lot of code media content for free. You're welcome. I think this will be the last one we push out via this podcast channel, but there's plenty more available. You can go to recode.net, click on conferences, you'll be easy to find, all the stuff we made there, all the conversations we had there in one easy-to-find place. Enjoy it, and we'll talk to you soon. Welcome. Thank you for coming. Thank you for having me, Peter.

You've been on this stage fairly recently, and the last time you were here, you were running

80. I was. And then pretty shortly after that, you took this job. I did. So it's like a year and a half on the job now? Yeah, just 18 months. Just 18 months. I'm not supposed to ask you about cocaine in the bathrooms, fratroy behavior, any of the sins of Vice Media. Yeah, I will ask me. But you're going to. Here's why I think it's fair to ask about Vice Media's past incarnations. One,

it's still built into the brand. That's what people think about. And also, you were putting

money into Vice while that behavior was going on. Yeah. So I know that you don't like having to

explain that it's a different company now, but talk about just your

thought process going into that job, going into this thing that in some ways you sort of helped

create.

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