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When Diplomacy Fails Podcast

Versailles #76: OTD 16th June 1919 - A Show of Unity

When Diplomacy Fails Podcast

Zack Twamley

Phd, International Relations, Korean War, European History, 17th Century, 18th Century, Politics, 20th Century, Thirty Years' War, History, 19th Century, War, First World War

4.8773 Ratings

🗓️ 16 June 2019

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

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On This Day in history a century ago, a significant milestone in the history of the Paris Peace Conference was reached, and like so many others we have come across, its significance is largely lost in the narrative. This allied response, examined in this episode, represented a solid defence of their peace treaty, and a rebuke of Germany’s pretences to be standing for the Fourteen Points. The allied response was devastating and formidable, in that it was effectively the answer to Germany's claims to any moral high ground. Germany could claim no such high ground, said the allies, for their past behaviour disqualified them from any such claims.


The historian George Creel wrote on the allied response: "It is to be wished that the two documents – the German of May 29th and the Allied reply of June 16th – could be printed in every language and placed in every school and library, for they furnish in themselves a complete and dramatic exposition of the whole Peace Treaty, permitting the formation of an intelligent and independent opinion with respect to the confused question of justice or injustice."


The significance of the communications could never be in doubt. What was in doubt was what might happen next. The allied language was certainly arranged to leave no doubt: "It is only justice that restitution should be made and that these wronged peoples should be safeguarded for a time from the competition of a nation whose industries are intact and have even been fortified by machinery stolen from occupied territories. If these things are hardships for Germany, they are hardships which Germany has brought upon herself. Somebody must suffer for the consequences of the war. Is it to be Germany, or only the peoples she has wronged?" There could be no doubt according to the big three - the Germans had to admit their wrongdoing, and what was more, this was the end of the debate. "In conclusion", their reply said, "the Allied and Associated Powers must make it clear that this letter and the memorandum attached constitute their last word."


Failing the successful adherence by the Germans to these terms, "The said Armistice will then terminate, and the Allied and Associated Powers will take such steps as they think needful to enforce their Terms." It was, in short, do or die for the German government, and On This Day the scales finally fell from the German eyes...or did they? Listen to this fascinating examination of this forgotten moment to find out...

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0:00.0

Hello history friends. My name is Zach Twanley and you're listening to the latest episode of the Versailles Anniversary Project.

0:07.1

Now I've got to tell you, it's one thing to listen and it's another thing to be there live when your favorite history podcasters do their stuff.

0:14.3

Maybe you've been listening to your favorite podcasts for many years and you never actually realized that these are real people.

0:20.4

We're not just voices in the wilderness speaking to you about things that you're interested in.

0:26.2

In fact, we are real people and you can really meet us.

0:29.0

Well, actually, you can't meet me because I won't be there.

0:31.0

But on the 29th of June, that is, in two weeks' time, you'll be able to go to New York

0:35.4

and be able to meet several of your favorite

0:38.4

history podcasters, including Mr. History of Rome himself, Mike Duncan, Mr. History of English,

0:43.8

Kevin Stroud, Mr. History of England, David Crowther, and so many others. It's a conference

0:50.5

called the Intelligent Speech Conference, and it is organized by the Agora Podcast Network. You can find out more by going to Intelligent Speech Conference and it is organized by the

0:54.5

Agora Podcast Network you can find out more by going to intelligent speechconference.com

0:59.9

it is not at all too late to get tickets and if you use the code wdf you'll get 5% off the

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cost price and that price itself has been reduced because they moved to a new venue to

1:09.5

accommodate all these lovely

1:10.8

history friends that want to attend. Speaking of lovely history friends, if you want to talk to

1:15.5

history friends, not in person, but over the internet, then the app Flick has got you covered. Search

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entire branding soon enough. But if you search for the app Flick, Android, Apple or anywhere else,

1:33.5

and download that bad boy, you'll be able to talk to me and different history friends

1:37.6

without having to sign up for one of those social media profiles like Twitter or Facebook.

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