Hey, the bird show.

All right, we're going to get Julian on here in a second. 17 years old going to high school. I mean, this is pretty courageous stuff at 17 years old. Because I asked Jeff before we got Julian on, I'm like, does this kid want to use the voice disguiser? And he's like, no, fake name, no. So to be out at 17 years old, that's pretty strong stuff. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Hey, Julian. Hey. Hey, how are you?

I'm pretty good. Now, I don't have your email here in front of me, but give us a little history here. You came out to your parents. When? Not last summer, but the summer before. Okay. So when you you were 15 uh yes just kind of as a

sidebar where'd you get the strengths to do that actually I started going to a

little bit of counseling right before so I could figure out how exactly to do it

so I did that for a while and they didn't really know why I was going and then during

the summer I had them come in and I told them they freaked out, fired the therapist and it

was kind of bad.

So let me just get the order of things. You told them, look, I've got some stuff on my mind.

I'd really like to go see a therapist but you never came clean on why. And then after you got the therapy, that's when you told them about it. And they said the therapist must be wrong, and they fired them? Yep. And the therapist is the one who helped you. Like, you went in. As soon as you get in with the therapist in the door, you're like, all right, look, here's why I'm here. I'm gay. don't know how to tell mom and dad you gotta walk me through

this right okay so they probably thought the therapist encouraged you to be gay so they

yeah they're really parental logic they accused her of somehow making me um okay with it or something

I was like no I was okay with it before.

How dare her try to make you feel okay about being you?

Well, see, then they decided to send me to another therapist, a Christian therapist.

And...

To try to rehabilitate you or something?

Yeah, but the funny thing was, I don't think he really wanted to rehabilitate me either.

So that kind of ended up being a waste of money, too.

I think this is probably pretty standard stuff, right?

Yeah, oh, absolutely.

That's why I guessed what they accused the therapist of and not surprised that they switched

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