Anybody who's done anything that's like maybe above, slightly above or above average,

I think you just have to embrace or like loving the suck.

Because you're like, oh, it sucks so much.

But you're like, but that's what moves the needle.

And that's what was fun for you that day.

And I used to live for that pain.

Like, I loved that pain.

Alex, what do you think the short list of the most vicious single-pitched

single-pitched traditional lines in North America is?

I don't know about vicious, but I think some of the most iconic hard trad lines in North America are maybe

magic line and meltdown in Yosemite, maybe The Path in Canada, maybe stranger than fiction

for Splitter Sandstone. That's the one you have to take your shoe off, right, in the middle of the pitch, supposedly.

Well, that's how it's been called, yeah, yeah, in theory.

And then, yeah.

And try not to rip your toes off.

And then Cobra Crag is probably the most iconic single pitch hard trad line.

Why do you think Cobra Crack has ended up kind of the most well-known, the most iconic single pitch hard trad line. Why do you think cobra crack has ended up

kind of the most well-known, the most iconic? I mean, I think part of it just has to do with media.

I mean, it's beautiful, it's striking, it's hard, you know, it's all the things that it takes

for a route to be classic. But also, I think it has a great story around it, and it was documented in the film First Ascent.

And so there's a whole story around the attempts on it.

And I don't know, it just became a moment.

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