This is exactly right.

I'm Kate Winkler-Dawson. I'm a journalist who's spent the last 25 years writing about true crime.

And I'm Paul Holes, a retired cold case investigator whose work some of America's most complicated cases

and solve them.

Each week, I present Paul with one of history's most compelling true crimes.

And I weigh in using modern forensic techniques to bring new insights to old mysteries.

Together, using our individual expertise, we're examining historical true crime cases through a 21st century lens.

Some are solved and some are cold, very cold. This is buried bones.

Music Hey, Paul. Hey, Kate. How are you? I'm fine.

Happy post holidays.

I know.

You know, it's time just as flying.

The older I get, it seems like these holidays come faster and faster.

You had a milestone on this holiday, right?

Kind of. You know, this is the first year for me in 33 years that I haven't had children in the

house.

Oh my gosh.

They came home for Thanksgiving and for the holidays, right, for Christmas?

Right.

So I have two kids that are in college, two different colleges in the Midwest, and they both

came home at the same time. So we were empty nesters leading up to the holiday season, but now, you know, they're going back to college and won't see them again.

Well, chances are, won't see them again until their spring break.

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