This is exactly right.

I'm Kate Winkler-Dawson. I'm a journalist who's spent the last 25 years writing about true crime.

And I'm Paul Holes, a retired cold case investigator whose work some of America's most complicated cases

and solve them.

Each week, I present Paul with one of history's most compelling true crimes.

And I weigh in using modern forensic techniques to bring new insights to old mysteries.

Together, using our individual expertise, we're examining historical true crime cases through a 21st century lens.

Some are solved and some are cold, very cold. This is buried bones. Hey, Paul.

Hey, Kate, how are you?

I'm well.

It has been months since we have been on our Virgin cruise. We had a great time,

and this was an experience you and I have never had before. We've never done a live show ever.

What a time to present one of the most awful cases in front of this big audience on a moving ship.

I mean, what could go wrong?

No, you know, well, I think the live event, I mean, we were, you know, sitting on stage, you know, and of course, people are watching us, which, you know, now that we're on YouTube, of course, people are watching us. But we, you had two computers in front of you. I had a computer in front of me.

We had screens behind us. So it was definitely, you know, the challenge was trying to keep

everything sort of straight. You know, so it was actually something that was consumable, both from a visual and an audio standpoint.

Yeah. I loved the energy of the audience. I had not expected that before. I know you've done a lot of

live stuff, as have I, with QuimCon. It's just different when you're presenting this information

and, you know, they haven't heard it and to kind of hear,

you know, people kind of going, oh, when you hear sad things or people clapping or laughing

every once in a while if we crack a joke at the appropriate time. So it was a, it was really kind of

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