Unraveling the Threads of Authority: From Cults to the Nazis w/Jon Atack

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Religion & Spirituality

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🗓️ 29 January 2025

⏱️ 64 minutes

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In this enlightening episode, Rachel welcomes Jon Atack, a leading expert on authoritarian cults and bestselling author, for a deep dive into the interplay between cult dynamics and historical atrocities. With a career spanning over four decades, Jon shares his extensive research on the parallels between Scientology and the Nazi regime, exploring how magical thinking and pseudoscience have fueled dangerous ideologies throughout history.

Jon discusses his upcoming book, "If Scientology Ruled the World," which imagines the implications of authoritarian control on a global scale. He delves into the historical roots of Nazi occultism and the pseudoscientific beliefs that justified horrific actions against millions. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding history to prevent the repetition of past mistakes, as well as the necessity of critical thinking in an age of misinformation.

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0:00.0	Welcome to indoctrination, a weekly conversation series about protecting yourself from systems of control.
0:11.1	I'm your host, Rachel Bernstein.
0:13.8	Hello, everyone. It is so nice to be able to introduce the guest for today, John A.Tack. John Atec is one of my
0:26.0	favorite people to speak with. I always learn a lot. I find myself wanting to go in so many
0:36.0	different directions with the conversation. So we are going to be
0:41.6	making arrangements to speak more often and record our conversations so that you can hear
0:48.9	all the different directions we get to go in. John A.Tack is a leading expert on authoritarian cult groups, as well as a best-selling author.
1:00.1	He has worked with hundreds of former members and has lectured and written extensively in a
1:05.7	career spanning four decades.
1:09.0	John's book, Opening Our Minds, shows how cultic behaviors are established throughout
1:14.8	society, and it sheds light on the methods used in pseudo-religions, therapy, commercial cults,
1:21.9	as well as modern slavery. He also shows that these methods succeed because of failures in our education system.
1:30.1	And I love talking to John about our education system and the problems with it and the limitations of it.
1:37.5	You can find all of John's work on his website, johnatac.co.uk. And make sure to subscribe to John's YouTube channel.
1:50.5	Here's John now.
2:09.6	It is delightful to be speaking to John A-Tac today. We're just jumping right in.
2:11.7	We haven't had the usual sort of time for pleasantry, so I'm sure we'll do that as we're talking.
2:19.2	I want to know since the last time you're on the show, how things have been going and how is life treating you, John?
2:25.4	Well, life's not treating me well enough. I don't have a Rolls-Royce.
2:29.7	I don't have a palace. You know, it's just so unfair, isn't that?
2:54.1	No, I'm great, thank you. Fairly happy, all in all. Actually, the last four months now, I've been deeply immersed in research for a book, which draws parallels between Scientology, which some of our viewers may have heard of, and the Nazis.
2:59.6	The book will be called If Scientology Ruled the World. And it was a thought experiment to say,
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