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Hello to our wonderful Patreon supporters. This is a bonus episode for you, and this is a special bonus episode. It is a conversation that I'm having with Andrew Pledgeer, our wonderful social media manager extraordinaire. He has been on the podcast before,

so you're probably familiar with him and his story. But I think this topic is very timely,

and it's something that was brought to my attention by Andrew. So I invited him on to be able to talk about his reflections about the movie Wicked. I know some people have seen the movie, other people have seen the show. I was able to see both, which was lovely, and see how they're

a bit similar and different, but the themes are the same. And we're going to be pinpointing the

themes. And there is this overlay of this other theme, which is that sometimes you can be watching something or listening to something and hearing

it through your way of sifting through that information based on your feelings or your experiences,

and you can also be seeing it through a certain lens of your experience or your sensitivities or your past.

And I had a lot of reactions while watching the movie and watching the show that Andrew,

I know you kind of felt as well, but there was this whole other kind of world to it for you, where you brought some things

to my attention about what you saw and what you felt and how you saw yourself in this

story on so many levels. And so I would love for our audience and our supporters to be able to hear you share

your reflections. And I'd also be curious to hear from people listening to this to see if they

had similar reactions or different reactions based on their experiences or the experiences of

their loved ones, etc. So, Andrew, if you don't mind just taking a moment to introduce yourself and then we'll

dive right into your great points.

My name is Andrew Pledgeer and I grew up gay and the independent fundamental Baptist

movement and ended up at Bob Jones University and then left that

environment and made a podcast about them exposing it. And so, yeah, a lot of my work has been

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